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Pilot Talk

The aviation press and the pilots clubs talk about us frequently. In fact they have probably done more to spread our message to new members than all of our direct marketing efforts.

Here is a sampling of their communications.

• Some agree with us. 
• Most oppose us. 
• Some realize that we will prevail and suggest that pilots maneuver for the best possible outcome. 
• Others appear to be certifiably nuts and possibly dangerous. Yet they are still allowed to fly airplanes over our homes.

These here pretty much exemplify the nut-job cowboys who shouldn't even be on the street much less in control of an aircraft.

Threats of physical violence.

From: "Ken Badziak" <kbadziak@hotmail.com>
To: <mail@stopthenoise.org>
Subject: What's a "leaf peeper"?
Date: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:25 PM

Try as I might, I just can't find it anywhere.

I think you guys are on to something here. I've got another complaint that I'd like to add- the birds outside my house chirp all morning long- they drive me crazy! Also, there's a guy down my street that has one of those loud "ghetto cars", blasting away all night long- can I add him to your complaint list? I'm trying to stop the noise, but so far, no go. Also, one of my neighbors has a leaf blower that just drives me nuts!

I really wish I could meet you face to face.

I would love to slap you silly.

Sincerely,
(and I do mean it)
Ken Badziak

Threats of harassing buzzing.

From: "FrankBell"<uyopilot@bellsouth.net>
To: <mail@stopthenoise.org>
Subject:
Date: Thursday, December25, 2003 10:28 PM

I will make sure to do a lot of low altitude high speed passes over your community next time I am there!

More threats of harassing buzzing.

From: "susan board" <sboard@1st.net>
To: <mail@stopthenoise.org>
Subject: Noise
Date: Saturday, December 27, 2003 11:29 AM

I am glad to find out you do not like this kind of action. I am going to get in my twin engine aircraft at about midnight and do a lot of site seeing over there.

More threats of harassing buzzing.

From: <captainwubba@excite.com>
To: <mail@stopthenoise.org>
Subject: Lawsuit
Date: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:33 AM

Regarding your ridiculous and abusive lawsuit against innocent pilots flying legally: You might be surprised in the near future about the number of pilots in the Boston area who will now be flying extensive practice flights in the Ayers area. All will be perfectly legal, and all will be at or above the minimum allowable altitudes required by the Federal Aviation Regulations. I'm not planning on doing it myself at the moment, so this isn't any type of threat (merely a statement of what I think will happen), but given the nature of pilots, it seems pretty clear to me that they won't react terribly well, and will likely assert their rights to fly in airspace above Ayers. Obviously you will lose your lawsuit, seeing that these pilots are performing fully lawful activities as regulated by the Federal Government, so why do you feel the need to antagonize the entire aviation community? Seems pretty silly to me for childish and selfish rich people with too much time and arrogance on their hands to try to own the stars, the seas *and* the sky. But it is your money...waste as much as you wish. And when you look up into the sky and see dozens of planes practicing maneuvers (all legally) just remember what silly and abusive suit brought them there.

Cheers,
Cap

More threats of harassing buzzing.

From: <crdavis4@bellsouth.net>
To: <mail@stopthenoise.org>
Subject: Your Cause
Date: Saturday, February 28, 2004 8:01 PM

Would you people like some cheese with your whine? Give me the coordinates for your house so I can make sure I pass over it.

From: <Graysoc@aol.com>
To: <mail@StopTheNoise.org>
Subject: Noise
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 1:21 PM

It is too bad that I do not live near you. If I did, I would make every effort to fly right at the legal limits in the biggest HP a/c I could find at full power and high angles of attack. I wouldn't do anything to break the law, but I would annoy the hell out of you...legally. Then I could be content in the knowledge that an organization like yours has no power, and will never have any power.

Good day,

A Concerned Pilot

To fully appreciate this character you must see the email version. He exposes his kid to this noise and thinks it's cool. He doesn't know what the FAR are. He clearly wants some attention. He also clearly is aware that noise can be a weapon and sees it as his only hope to ever have power.

From: <Kfessel@aol.com>
To: <mail@stopthenoise.org>
Subject: What can we as Pilots and Modified motor cycle riders do
Date: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:31 AM

To shut you up, I live in Indiana we get complaints at our airport as well
we just laugh at you Fools. Do you have any I dea what you are trying to do to
general aviation? I guess being grounded , scared to fly , sissies,(I gathered
this from your words of stupidity) you dont understand FEDERAL AIRSPACE
REGULATIONS. You can't win, might as well spend your money to move somewhere where
there is no aerobatic FEDERAL AIRSPACE around. Thus you wouldn't have to
listen to the cool sounds of high performance, ozone eating, fire breathing
engines. Every one of the 1,000,000 members of the AOPA will fight you to the end on
this. To the highest courts available. GIVE UP before you wind up broke in
court costs. There is no aerobatic space around my house maby we could trade I
would love to hear them beautiful birds fly by !!!! So I hope my no nonsence
helps you all realize, You are fools to think you can change FEDERAL AIRSPACE
REGULATIONS !!!!! and maby even IDIOTS if you think you can sue someone for
obeying FEDERAL AIRSPACE REGULATIONS !!!!!!
Motorcycle rider and private pilot,
Also a big supporter of the AOPA,
Kevin
( I wish I lived there I would fly all the time especially after you LOSE
your CASE against FEDERAL AIRSPACE REGULATIONS I would also ride my Hog in first
gear wide open all day every day till it blew up then I would make it louder
and do it again)

(You aint heard loud yet wait till the little one is riding and flying, HE
LOVES LOUD)

Ignorent oppinions are noise polution as well !! Wake UP !!

You all need to see the complaint list we have about this mans 2 Beautiful
p-51 Mustangs !! It is the center of most jokes !! We beg him to fly more ! We
even offer to buy him GAS since it burns about 300 gallons per hour . Wow what
an ozone eating Beauty!

I wish the pilots you are against all the luck in the world but they have
FEDERAL AIRSPACE REGULATIONS behind them + The AOPA so the won't need luck, CASE
CLOSED!

This one seems to be threatening a kamikaze strike on my home.

From: "JohnandKam" <JohnandKam@charter.net>
To: <mail@stopthenoise.org>
Subject: Donation of aircraft
Date: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:31 AM

I'd be willing to donate my small, useless, pesky nuisance of an airplane to your goal. Just place some kind of identifying mark on your house so I can discuss this with you further.

J. Laurence, Pilot

More threats of harassing buzzing.

From: "Not for use" <not@foruse.com>
To: <mail@stopthenoise.org>
Subject:
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 1:55 PM

One of these days one of these pilots who is out there training for his
commercial license so he can fly sick children to a hospital is going
to slip up and crash into your house. That will be some socially
redeeming value because I won't have to read about your whining over
airspace.

If you bothered to work WITH pilots about moving the practice area
instead of berating them constantly like a one man know it all maybe
you would get further. As for me, I will be donating 10k to the pilots
defense fund and when I am in town, I'll be sure to circle for hours as
low as legally allowed.

More threats of harassing buzzing.

From: "Peter L." <pete3500@hotmail.com>
To: <mail@stopthenoise.org>
Date: Friday, May 07, 2004 8:22 PM

FAA SAYS NO TO GIANT N NUMBERS
The FAA has turned down a petition from a Massachusetts anti-noise group to
require aircraft owners to put 2-foot-high N numbers under their wings. As
AOPA had argued in its comments on the petition, the FAA said the issue had
been debated, studied, and decided years ago—the current 12-inch-high
numbers on the fuselage are sufficient. AOPA suspected that it was a thinly
veiled attempt to make it easier for the Stop The Noise group to sue pilots.

Nice try, but sorry.......I imagine most of your members live next to
an airport and should be questioning their own judgment and that of their
realtors instead of pestering us. You will have to pry the yoke out of my
dead hands before you deny me of my rights. If I knew where you lived, I
would circle your house at 1000' above the ground at midnight (Perfectly
Legal!)...Get a hobby.

More threats of harassing buzzing.

He does make an important point though. FAA has once again caved in to the GA lobby and allowed unnecessarily loud propellers simply to make flying less expensive. We know too well that it is we on the ground who will bear the expense of this malfeasance.

From: PROP NOISE is GOOD
To: mail@stopthenoise.org
Sent: 01/11/2006 20:46
Subject: BIG NOISE on the WAY, thanks to YOU!

FAA RECENTLY reaffirmed CUT props (the noisey ones), for all older aircraft as a STC. Now I am retrofitting my old "quiet bird" with one and practicing acrobatics in the Ayer area, all legally, thanks to YOU! Never would have done this (I even think it is noisey), but ARSES like you are such good fun to play with. HAVE A DRINK, get the ear plugs, and enjoy the show in the Ayer area . All legal mind you. HE HE HE !

Some pilots do see it our way.

Some pilots can't figure it out.

It seems Harvey doesn't realize that FAA is now in CYA mode.

From: "Harvey Tidball" <htidball@direcway.com>
To: <acro@gf24.de>
Subject: [Acro] Threat to Aerobatics
Date: Saturday, March 20, 2004 11:56 AM

Fellow Akro pilots,

We are in a battle to save the sport of Aerobatics.

Last year we obtained an aerobatic waiver at the Iowa County Airport in Wisconsin. There is very little flying there; it is mostly farm country with very few homes around the airport. The Airport Manager, Airport Commission, and County Board wanted us there to increase activity, and gas sales. So, we started to flying. Well, a few of the neighbors (about 3) started a campaign against the aerobatic flying. They want no compromises; only completely eliminate the aerobatic flying. First, they went to the Airport Manager, then the Airport Commission, then the County Board. The County Board voted to not renew the waiver. Well, the County Board has no say in the renewal of the waiver. The local FSDO manager, and Wisconsin Aviation department head attended a County Board meeting and verified this fact. It is completely up to the FAA, and they are only concerned about safety, not noise or nuisance. So, the complainers started a website very similar to the "stop the noise" site.

They gained more members and, contacted their Congressmen and Senators. The Congressmen are now pleading, and pressuring Marian Blakey the FAA Administrator to not renew the waiver. Today, the complainers are asking all their members to write Marion Blakey, and ask her to not renew the waiver.

The local FSDO says that the waiver is basically ready to issue, but the boss at the regional level is looking into it. They are telling us that the waiver will either be issued, or rejected, or need more input. One of the things that they are looking into is an environmental study. This would be very cost prohibitive. They say that whatever requirement placed on this application, will be required with all waiver applications. So far the local FSDO has been very helpful, but the FAA has been getting a lot of pressure from Congress, to not renew the waiver.

With the aid of the Internet, the complainers network around the country is very strong. So, if they get their way here, the news will spread around the country, and the tactics used here will be used everywhere. Then it will be very difficult to practice. If one goes out in the weeds to practice, then there is a possibility of a suite ala Mike Goulian. If the complainers shut down an aerobatic waiver at an airport, then there will be no place to fly aerobatics.

We have requested the aid of the EAA, their answer seems to be, "have a young eagle rally". Well, we have no local chapter of the EAA, because the airport is so small. So that idea is difficult to accomplish.

AOPA is helping with Mike Goulian's suit because there is a flight school involved, and that would effect all of general aviation. Our problem only involves aerobatics.

If you would like to help now, a letter to Marion Blakey would be appropriate. She needs to know that we would like to have the Certificate of Waiver for the Iowa County Airport renewed, without any undue restrictions.

Her address is: Marion C. Blakey, Administrator

Federal Aviatioin Administration
800 Independence Avenue, S.W.
Washington D.C. 20591

Thanks in advance.

Harvey Tidball

FAA Inspector Bill Wicks considers being able to identify pilots a bad thing. Yet Mr. Wicks refused to investigate unless the reporting citizens first had an N-Number. 

U.S. Department of Transportation
Federal Aviation Administration
Boston Flight Standards District Office
Civil Air Terminal, Bldg 15
Bedford, Massachusetts 01730-2616
781-272-7130, Fax: 781-274-6725

  January 17, 2001

  Dear Mr. Christman: Aerobatic Flights

  During the past year our office has received an increasing amount of complaints from residents in Ayer, Groton and Westford, Massachusetts, among others, who are very concerned about aerobatic activity in the airspace over and around their residences. Inspectors in this office are aware that the majority of aircraft and the pilots involved in the aerobatic activity are not in violation of any Federal Aviation Regulations. However, we are placed in the unenviable position of trying to calm an extremely irate and in some cases very hostile citizen on a recurring basis.

  The complaints normally range from the threat of political action to stop all aerobatic activity to more extreme cases, where veiled threats to learn the identity of the pilots involved are conveyed. Normally, our message to the complainants is that of peaceful coexistence. We try to point out that the flights do not pose a risk to their safety. Their belief is that they should be able to enjoy the privacy of their home and property without the sound of screaming propellers overhead from dawn to dusk on each weekend that the sun shines. We believe that both arguments have merit and would like to see some type of compromise to the problem.

  We are attempting to contact as many pilots as possible in order to make them aware of the ongoing situation. We would like to solicit your advice to help reach a lasting solution to this problem.

Inspectors of this office have scheduled a meeting to take place on Wednesday, February 7, 2001, at the Boston FSDO located on the second floor in the Hanscom Field Civil Air Terminal. The meeting will begin at 6:30 p.m. Please mark this date on your calendar and make a sincere effort to attend. This is a time when many General Aviation airports are being closed or are facing extreme scrutiny from the non-flying public. We need your input to reach a viable solution for all parties involved. Your knowledge and expertise are welcome. Refreshments will be served.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. Please call Operations Supervisor Ed Reinecker or myself at the FSDO for additional details at (781) 274-7130.

Sincerely,
William D. Wicks Aviation Safety Inspector

This guy thinks every airport should come with a 25 mile radius "no-living here" zone around it.

From: "KEN PERES" <KEN@telatron.com>
To: "STOPtheNOISE" <mail@STOPtheNOISE.org>
Subject: RE: go away
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:30 PM

two things more about your email.
1> It's not fair to other pilots or safe to expect fights of an aerobatic nature take place that close to an airport.

2> when buying a home you should consider a 25 mile circle around an airport of that type if you don't want bothered by it's traffic. Distances feel different in an aircraft than they do in a car because the speed ratio makes it so. you can't box a plane in.

This is by far the most common chant we hear.

From: "Captain Dave" <capndave@hotmail.com>
To: <mail@stopthenoise.org>
Subject: Basic logic.
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:13 PM

The airport was there first, and you moved next to it. Your problem, not
ours. Move or quit complaining.

Some pilots know the rules are about to change.

Phil Boyer, president of the aviation lobbying group AOPA knows we are right. In fact he had to be pressured into getting involved. It's just that he is paid to represent the pilots.